Boomman says Money Mu maintained ownership in their deal—but Loon questions what that ownership meant when Authentic Empire still controlled the records connected to its investment. Full Description Boomman enters Loon’s hot seat and responds to the accusations surrounding his name, Authentic Empire and his relationships with former artists. The conversation begins with Ray Daniels. Boomman claims Ray made hundreds of thousands of dollars discussing his name while helping create a public narrative that painted him as a scammer. Boomman says Ray once described him as a brother, but argues that a real brother would have called him privately before questioning his character and business in public. Loon then moves the conversation toward Money Mu and the part of record deals that artists and labels often describe differently: ownership versus control. Boomman says he does not own 100 percent of everything, but confirms that he controls the records connected to the money he invested. Loon challenges that explanation and argues that ownership can become meaningless when another party retains the power to control the music. The exchange becomes tense when Boomman tells Loon, “Don’t do this with me,” before defending the resources, money, relationships and industry infrastructure he says Authentic Empire supplied. Boomman also explains gross-receipt deals and why labels expect to receive their percentage and recoup their investment before the artist receives significant revenue. But Loon asks a different question: Once the label has made its money, the artist is unhappy and the relationship is collapsing, when should the agreement change? Should an artist eventually receive greater control of the masters? Is Boomman simply operating according to accepted music-business practices—or can a deal follow industry standards and still become unfair? Watch the complete conversation and decide for yourself. Subscribe to It’s Up There for fearless conversations with the people shaping music, media, business and culture. 00:00 Loon Questions Ownership Versus Control 00:XX Boomman Responds to the Scrutiny 00:XX Ray Daniels and the Scammer Narrative 00:XX “Ray Made Hundreds of Thousands Off My Name” 00:XX Money Mu’s Authentic Empire Deal 00:XX Who Really Controlled the Records? 00:XX “Don’t Do This With Me” 00:XX Boomman Explains Gross-Receipt Deals 00:XX When Should a Label Change the Contract? 00:XX Why Boomman Will Not Reward Public Attacks #Boomman #MoneyMu #AuthenticEmpire #ItsUpThere #MusicBusiness Join Our Its Up There Podcast Clip Channel now https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEh6Wk40kcNcMJ4t_jtmluw Discord https://discord.gg/GJKXMWQS For all exclusive interviews & more content not here click here https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🚨Unreleased Interviews https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast 🦺All Merch Options teespring.com/its-up-there-podcast-merch 🎧LISTEN ON SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4Jheeb8FxYVDRo8khyrz36?si=e339dD2JRte2MYX2Uon3BQ 👀 SUBSCRIBE HERE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw 👂 LISTEN ON APPLE PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-up-there-podcast/id1317524092?uo=4 👣FOLLOW ITS UP THERE PODCAST HOST : INSTAGRAM | fogfo_looney TIKTOK | https://www.tiktok.com/@fogfo_looney PATREON| https://www.patreon.com/itsuptherepodcast SUBSCRIBE TO Youtube Channel ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_GorAVekpEVDlk1Yc8giw WATCH MORE ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNIuOcAtoo&list=PLnwwxLxHiDWayq4HPgNYUtsAGvqe3liOO